No seriously I think they did, it took me while to realize that they really cut their ties to me. That is unless the unexplained cancellation of my last two orders and ignoring my attempts to contact them for an entire month are coincidences. I’m pretty surprised at how easily they cast aside me as a customer, especially since I don’t know how to close my wallet when it comes to anime merchandise. I think I’ve spent at least $300 there in the last month or two on my hauls and far more in the past year. I bought the majority of my FREEing Bunnies from there too and those are some serious cash. When Otakufuel ban people they cut off communication COMPLETELY so there is absolutely no way to clear up any misunderstandings, or in my case…figure out why I was banned to begin with, that’s right, absolutely no reason was given to me for why they won’t do business with me.
There are only a few things that were going on with me regarding Otakufuel at the time communication was stopped. The first is my blog post where I mentioned one of the wall scrolls they sent me had bent rods and I said I was working with them to get a replacement. I was looking at their policy and they go out of their way to state that they take great care to examine everything before it goes out, and maybe they thought I was trying to imply that they sent them to me broken from the beginning? That seems a bit of a stretch but it’s the only listed policy that it might look like I “violated”, even though I actually wasn’t implying anything at all and didn’t think that was the case.
There was another part of that post where I talked about the pin that was their free gift in that order. I really was jokingly ribbing though and have made no secret about how much I admired their service in the past, I mean look at my Review of Otakufuel. I also positively gushed about them when they found me the volumes I needed of Basara…but now that I think about it, they wouldn’t have had to help me find those volumes to begin with had their inventories been correct when I purchased the entire set at once from them. And if they didn’t get me these last two volumes they were facing me returning about $200 in merchandise. Well it was validly pointed out that I may not have conveyed the joking part about the pin well. When I communicate through writing I write the way I speak and sometimes I write without fully realizing that certain tones are obviously not being carried over in my written words (as I’ve mentioned to Mimi before). BUT I still maintain that I think this free gift is humorous and not suited to my tastes at all, no regrets on what I said, just maybe how I said it? I mean just because someone gives me something that is “free” and “extra” doesn’t mean I need to cherish it. Being sent items for free that are completely against my tastes inconveniences me because I then need to feel wasteful when throwing them out. And I’m not just going to throw it in a drawer somewhere, being a pack rat like that is how houses become cluttered. If this is truely why I was banned I think they’re far too sensitive. But like I said I can only speculate as to the cause of being banned.
The other reason might be that RIGHT AFTER I placed a large manga order with them my credit information was stolen and I had to turn off that card and wait for a new one. I asked them what I should do and they just said to re-do the order with the new card, so I did. One of the reasons I thought maybe they were accidentally ignoring me was because a large portion of what was in my cancelled order was suddenly snatched off their web site and was no longer being available to be ordered. I thought maybe they were trying to escape explaining to me (again) that their manga inventories were incorrect so I called assuring them that wasn’t an issue for me and that I just wanted answers. Plus also I knew they banned customers that cancel orders too often, there could have been a misunderstanding as to why my large manga order suddenly had to be cancelled (had to change the credit card info) if there was miscommunication among the staff.
They go as far as to screen my phone calls even, I realize now that I was like a guy who was trying to be politely dumped by a girl who didn’t want to actually say the words out loud to him. I’d leave messages like “I’m not sure why but none of my calls/messages are being returned but when you get a chance would you give me a call?”, “I think my e-mails might be accidentally going into your SPAM folder because suddenly no one is responding to my e-mails”…etc etc (you get the pathetic naive picture). I’m surprised by all this, I know I’m not a perfect customer, but I think this is a bit much considering I pay for everything I order.
In the end though I’m not desperately sad at the loss, there are other places I’d lament the loss of more. As much as I liked Otakufuel they weren’t my 1st choice store for figures or manga (due to their smaller selection of items and questionable inventory numbers). Now I just need to keep my fingers crossed that I’m not so evil that Amazon (manga) and Toyslogic (figures) will ban me too. Hopefully if I keep throwing money at them they’ll be so distracted by the income that they won’t see my evilness…MWAHAHAHA!
But when all is said and done if someone asked me if I recommend Otakufuel as a store I’d probably still say they’re decent, although I won’t go out of my way to promote them anymore. I FIRMLY call into question their banishment system that doesn’t allow for any further communication. I think it’s flawed and leaves room for errors to go uncorrected! Because they haven’t told me why I was banned I can’t say with 100% confidence that “I’ve been wronged!”, but to my knowledge I haven’t violated any of their listed policies.







#1 by Panther at August 13th, 2009
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You must rage against the machine.
#2 by Snark at August 13th, 2009
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Huh. I know that most businesses do actively try to discourage customers they find unprofitable or troublesome, but a total ban and cutting off all communication seems very, very heavyhanded O.o
Still, as long as you still have your first choice in distributors, I guess it’s all right, eh?
#3 by xJAYMANx at August 13th, 2009
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@Duckie-chan: Hmm, it’s a tough call since any business can choose who they prefer to deal business with, no matter how much a customer has bought in the past. Money doesn’t necessarily guarantee relationships, business or personal, right?
P.S. Note to self: I better be careful about giving my cell number out to you, lol. ^o^
#4 by Jem at August 13th, 2009
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Discrepancy with inventory items happens a lot and I imagine it happens with manga quite often. ROFL, Toyslogic sucks at keeping track of their inventory among other things! I’ve had places where the item was wrong or they no longer had said item, but if they took the time to hunt it down for an excellent price and save me that hunt time AND still charge me a great price, I’d definitely be grateful, but it’s highly unlikely I’d go that route.
You’re right about not having to cherish anything from anyone, but it doesn’t necessarily mean that it’s gravy to come off as ungrateful, either. I have very specific tastes and will most likely not like most things that someone has given me in real life, but it’s like the adage: “It’s the thought that counts.” I would never blatantly “rip” a gift from someone unless it was truly driven by selfish motivations.
It’s totally true that it doesn’t matter how much a person spends at a retailer especially if the retailer offers free shipping at a certain amount, then most orders wouldn’t significantly stand out unless you are dropping in the $500 range per order if not more. Number is really just a number, I suppose.
I’m not one to question because it’s their company so they can make the rules, but perhaps, the ban policy is exactly the way it is because if an individual goes and violates their policy in any shape or form, then there’s no point for them to communicate anything or argue with someone who won’t accept their mistakes. This is just my guess. This is a primary reason why I am so damn anal about everything and will tediously go over policies and ensure that I don’t do anything to screw myself over, but that can be part of my overly paranoid behavior, haha.
Well, that’s good that you’re not at a loss. I’m sure Toyslogic will more than welcome your cashflow
#5 by Jem at August 13th, 2009
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LOL!!! I just noticed Jay’s phone comment. I also just noticed what the message was in that picture.
#6 by OpenHappy at August 14th, 2009
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Actually this is the first time I heard a store can ban a customer. Very interesting concept. I suppose you can ask your BF to order for you and they will be enable to find out. (Not that you will do it). Anyway, there are so many stores out there …
#7 by Gordanham at August 14th, 2009
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That sucks. It sort of seems weird to ban the people that make your income. I really like OF though…….. so I don’t think I should get to involved^^; Even so, I do have to ask if you tried using different phones to see if they answered. Ack! The OF police got me! I done for!
#8 by Otaku Dan at August 14th, 2009
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that is bullsh*t that they banned you without giving you a valid reason. First, try to get in touch with them in anyway possible and if that does not work, lets start a revolution against them.
#9 by xJAYMANx at August 14th, 2009
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@Jem-chan: A-ha! So you liked that cell comment, did you? I haven’t Google-chatted with Duckie-chan yet, but I’d definitely welcome our next session. Especially since I just recently installed Google-video-chat on my end, whether or not the other party has a webcam. ^_^
#10 by lovelyduckie at August 17th, 2009
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Hey all! So sorry for the late replies, I had a LOOONG weekend doing team building with work. So no internet access for me since I don’t have a Blackberry/iPhone. I think my next post will be a review of Goong (girlie Manhwa!). I spent Sunday night reading everything I could from that series marathon style.
@ Panther – lol
@ Snark – ya I’m still upset since I liked them but I’ve decided to look at the positive side of things, it could have been worse had I lost someone else
@ Jay – Putting you on speed dial now. Ya I almost scared myself with how stalker frequently I called them.
@ Jem – I’ve had inventory issues at all US figure stores, Otakufuel wasn’t alone in that, I definitely agree on that. I probably noticed it more frequently there because I would typically buy 10-12 manga at a time from them. The main reason I dislike the ban is I’m someone who will acknowledge if I made a mistake and apologize, I wished I had been given that oppertunity. It’s not that I’m not at a loss…I wouldn’t have tried so hard if I could easily brush them off. But rather then focus on throwing myself at a situation I can no longer influence I’m just going to look at the bright side, it could have been worse.
@ Open – He actually offered but my pride would feel a bit bruised about having to “sneak” buying from them. One thing I’m sad about is that I was going to send my sister in college a huge order of Hi-Chew from them as a care pacakage. I’ll have to find somewhere else where I can order it in bulk.
@ Gordan – I tried my house phone and my bf’s too *blush*
@ Dan – I feel like I could resolve things if I could visit in person but considering where I live that’s a bit extreme. If Iived even 4 hours away though I think I would make the drive.
@ Jay – Google chat? Is that like AIM and gmail chat? I actually don’t own a webcam, who knows what crazy stuff would tempt me if I did! LOL
#11 by Q at August 19th, 2009
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That surely sounds outrageous; never heard of a shop banning a customer like so. Is that an account or IP ban or even both? So much for customer support.
#12 by lovelyduckie at August 19th, 2009
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@ Q – For me it’s just an IP Ban from the computer I did all my orders from (see first image). I can log onto my account from other computers so I had hope that I wasn’t really banned. I put in an order for Hi-Chew to test the waters and it was immediately cancelled without an explanation or even an e-mail for that matter (had to check the status on my account). That pretty much settled it for me that I really was no longer welcome.
#13 by The Envoy at August 19th, 2009
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I have a feeling that this ban is somehow machine automated.
#14 by kizo. . . at August 20th, 2009
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Aww, that really sucks. :/ I really thought you really weren’t ban but just a misunderstanding.
Otakufuel & hlj are my first choices. Otakufuel’s prices are always lower than TL, plus they have free shipping. Tokyohunter works at hlj, so i get discounts over there.
I remember when I tried to cancel something at Otakufuel, Tracy immediately told me I can only cancel one thing or else it would ruin my store credits. Did they talk to you about your credits & whatnot? They usually give me warnings. o.o
I thought Tracy has a decent humor since she uses “^^” & “lol” when I talk to her.
It’s messed up they didn’t give you a reason. Have you try going on a different email & talking to them? Pretend you’re someone else & be all “hello, I’m new here and I read your policy. Can you give me further information on how not to get ban. If I were to get ban, would you send me an email explaining why?” I don’t know. . .something like that. xP
Good luck with everything! & asian markets usually have hi-chew available there.^^
#15 by Blowfish at August 25th, 2009
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Wow,I never heard about a Ban that wasnt explained to the banned person.How are you supposed to not make the “fault” again that got you banned.
What a weird system
#16 by Guy at August 25th, 2009
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This sounds so weird…
I mean, if someone cancels orders, they ban him? You know this for a fact? This sounds so weird and beyond the pale.
At worst, I’d say, freeze their account and don’t let them make orders, but, what purpose does blocking them from seeing your site serve?!
The only reason I can see for a ban is if someone tried to hack their site or something to that effect, and they blocked the whole sub-net, and you were caught in it. But if they have a tendency to ban users from seeing their site, then that’s totally fucked up.
#17 by lovelyduckie at August 26th, 2009
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@ Envoy – Probably, it’s hard to ignore someone that much.
@ Kizo – About one year ago I cancelled a figure and they let me know it hurts my standing with them every time I cancel something. I didn’t think that was a big deal because I rarely cancel stuff. The only other item I cancelled was one that looked like Kotobukiya USA itself cancelled because of the intense delays.
@ Fish – I guess the whole point is they don’t want to ever risk dealing with me making whatever mistake I made again…
@ Guy – If you cancel too much you ruin your good standing with them. I was told this over the phone by their representative about a year ago. They upped their system since then though so it might result in banishment if you cancel too much these days, I can’t say for sure though. Last I checked though she said if you cancelled too much they would force you to pay for pre-orders up front. It would make sense to ban someone for hacking. But I have no idea how to go about hacking something, I even made sure to not use their images…
#18 by Tommy at October 8th, 2009
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LOL! Otakufuel. I bought figures from there TWICE, and that’s about all the figures I’ll buy from them. It’d only be once if Toyslogic didn’t screw me over, but that’s another story. Both of them doesn’t seem to value international customers that much.
Otakufuel customer service is very questionable. I asked them about combining shipping for a super-sale item (which, in their crazy policy, can’t be shipped with another item. WTF?) with another item and they told me “We don’t do free shipping to international customers because we’d be losing money. The point of our business is to make money.
” That’s what they told me in their exact words. Really nice. *claps*
Then they didn’t have one of the items in stock, told me they “just” sold out before my order, and took a couple weeks to sort everything for me. In the end, they weren’t that bad once I became a paying customer and tolerated my order changes. But I’m cutting my ties with them because of the ridiculous shipping cost they’re charging me.
Banning a customer because they make “too many” changes/cancellations is stupid. It’s not like they’re the only ones selling anime merchandise, we’ll just look elsewhere.
In the end, it’s their lost, not yours, because bad word of mouth spreads faster than good ones.
#19 by moritheil at October 12th, 2009
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It’s kind of weird that they didn’t just come out and tell you. Why make you waste all their time calling them? Very unprofessional.